TheBravestOnline
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| Posted 03/17/11 at 04:33 PM | Reply with quote #1 |
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Brooklyn, NY 3-11 Apartment Fire with Mayday
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agates1272
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| Posted 03/17/11 at 05:04 PM | Reply with quote #2 |
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It's just amazes me how fire runs through these buildings. Sh!tty constrcution, and these guys have to work in them. Hats off to FDNY as usual.
It drives me insane to hear command trying to clarify a mayday call, and other idiots won't shut up on the radio. I would've started telling guys to shut the f*** up so i could hear. He did it in a much nicer way  __________________ GARBAGE MEN don't get excited when they see garbage because their job SUCKS! |
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SurendrdSeraph12
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| Posted 03/17/11 at 11:39 PM | Reply with quote #3 |
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| Yeah, though excited, nevertheless very calm. Congrats to all involved. Gotta love the professionalism of folks who see plenty of stuff like this.
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Buchanresq
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| Posted 03/18/11 at 02:14 PM | Reply with quote #4 |
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Id like to see these guys do it with just 16 firefighters. __________________ I Graduated From The Real World Fire Academy, My Degree Is In Street Smarts |
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SurendrdSeraph12
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| Posted 03/18/11 at 03:03 PM | Reply with quote #5 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Buchanresq Id like to see these guys do it with just 16 firefighters.
If this were Facebook, I'd like that comment.
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SpringfieldDeuce

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| Posted 03/18/11 at 03:54 PM | Reply with quote #6 |
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Quote: Id like to see these guys do it with just 16 firefighters. I dont get it. Why?
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Buchanresq
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| Posted 03/18/11 at 06:48 PM | Reply with quote #7 |
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I see allot of FD's doing next to nothing in allot of videos. I just don't get the idea of less then half the ff's doing work, while the rest watch. Take in mind that when I joined my fd, we sent 2 Engines, 1 Ladder and Battalion on Working Fires, 9 People total. So we all had to bust our butts on the fire ground. I do see this is a large structure which may or may not get more ff's on the first alarm. But I also see fd's sending 20-30 ff's on the first alarm for fires that one good placed hand line can handle. I know that people are going to start looking at these videos and using them against us by asking, "Why are all the ff's just standing there?" Then they will use that to lay off or cut back more ff's. Ive learned if your on the fire ground, look busy, do something. Allot of fd's across America would love to have the type of staffing some of these fd's have. PS: And I know some of you guys will get on here and talk about how hard it is to fight fires in the big city, big-tall structures. But most of those guys don't do a working fire every day, or have ever rolled up on 4-5 houses going at once. We here in our dilapidated cities are putting in allot of work with much less and more often. Feedback appreciated... __________________ I Graduated From The Real World Fire Academy, My Degree Is In Street Smarts |
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SpringfieldDeuce

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| Posted 03/18/11 at 09:28 PM | Reply with quote #8 |
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Quote: I see allot of FD's doing next to nothing in allot of videos. I just don't get the idea of less then half the ff's doing work, while the rest watch. Take in mind that when I joined my fd, we sent 2 Engines, 1 Ladder and Battalion on Working Fires, 9 People total. So we all had to bust our butts on the fire ground. I do see this is a large structure which may or may not get more ff's on the first alarm. I don't know what to tell you bro. I'm not FDNY, I wish I knew their staffing and unit response. Maybe someone from the dept. will log on & enlighten us. What I do know is they fight a sh*t-ton of fires & have set the standard on FD behavior & tactics.
Quote: I know that people are going to start looking at these videos and using them against us by asking, "Why are all the ff's just standing there?" Then they will use that to lay off or cut back more ff's. Ive learned if your on the fire ground, look busy, do something. Allot of fd's across America would love to have the type of staffing some of these fd's have.
In my humble opinion this is where we have to do what most don't like to...Get involved. I love to just come to work & pray I'm out of sight, out of mind. But the reality is there is so much literature out there of FD staffing requirement, NFPA, OSHA...ect etc...We really have all the work done for us, we just need to grab it & shove it in the politicans face when they come with their chopping block. Educate joe public & those politicians what a RIT team is, how important safety backup & supplemental personnel are. It's not standing around when your still fulfilling a responsibility. And for Gods sake, act professional. Everyone has a smart phone now a days.
Quote: And I know some of you guys will get on here and talk about how hard it is to fight fires in the big city, big-tall structures. But most of those guys don't do a working fire every day, or have ever rolled up on 4-5 houses going at once. We here in our dilapidated cities are putting in allot of work with much less and more often. This is one where one should speak to their own experiences & departmental habits. I happen to work in a "Big Dept" (although its no NY) and there is more than a handful of working fires per day here. I'm sure you can find a dozen guys on this site who have pulled up to 4-5 houses double gettin it. Big fires happen everyday, just because its not shared in this little world here at "TBO" don't think it doesn't happen. I digress... The common theme is this, "they" want us to do less with more. "We" take pride in rising to the challenge. But pissing contests where egos exclaim "We can put that out with half as many guys" isn't making anyone safer, in fact only giving a voice to the politicians who demand cut after cut. I think its better to look at a dept like FDNY & say "This is the bar... & comparison to population & run volume when we fight fire we should not be asked to do it with less than what the best do it with. Period.
Just 2 more cents ~Scott
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FREPLUG
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| Posted 03/18/11 at 10:19 PM | Reply with quote #9 |
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| I agree in there are a ton of guys standing around and there seems to be occupants to rescue or remove, and there is still active fire. I am all for extra manpower, but use it, put the fire out, and go home. Unless they thought all the needless radio talk was going to put out the fire. On the plus side no mention of any injury and i assume the fire is now out!! lol |
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mikey152
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| Posted 03/19/11 at 09:36 AM | Reply with quote #10 |
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Im still fairly green as ive only been in 4 years. i do on the other hand keep very active in pushing the education and safety of the guys on my engine. we hear mayday and the game completely changes. it goes from saving occupants to saving my brither. sounds harsh but were gonna leave 10,15,20 occupants to their own untill we pull our guys out. from what i could hear there was an entire company trapped (lost their means of egress.) the mission from that point shifts to finding them, midigating the fire hazard enough to buy them and the RIT time, and getting them out. if a stairwell had collapsed that goes to show that there is a possibility for more parts of the structure to fail. that puts in your head now static load now has to stay low and you have to mind the live load that you are applying during fire attack. this is what we were thinking to be the reason of "standing around" of personell. add a bunch of people to the building to find the 5 guys missing and then you have 25 guys missing when they step on the wrong spot and something else falls. just my 2 cents, throw it back if im wrong. __________________ WELL....GOOD! |
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Buchanresq
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| Posted 03/19/11 at 09:36 PM | Reply with quote #11 |
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I hit the like button Scott...
I hear ya, Looks like TBO is losing allot of the guys that made this site what it is today. I miss the good old one liners and tread pissing matches.
But, good feedback ya had, need more like it on these videos... __________________ I Graduated From The Real World Fire Academy, My Degree Is In Street Smarts |
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BackStepNBackWards
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| Posted 03/20/11 at 12:00 PM | Reply with quote #12 |
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The fact that many cities are doing more with less is not going unnoticed, nor is it underappreciated (well to any fireman with a clue atleast). But that doesnt neccesarily make it the "best" way to do it, despite the fact im sure you do it well.
Its known that the dept i work for overwhealms fires with man power. 5 engines, 2 trucks, a squad on 1st due box assignments. Does a small detached sfd need this assignment? Probably not.
But the SOPs are written where each of these companies has an assignment to achieve. It allows (good) companies to get more objectives done quicker, in my opinion allowing for the kind of aggresive nature our brothers fight fire.
It will never happen, but i would like to see cities try to achieve this kind of staffing and put in SOPs to make it effective rather than settle for less. __________________ "The 45' isn't going to reach, if you have to push cars, do it. Get in position." |
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foogaru
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| Posted 03/20/11 at 03:42 PM | Reply with quote #13 |
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I would agree that most fires can be handled easily with 16 guys.....but that's not why my Dept. sends 30 on a still/box alarm and FDNY sends what they do. It has to do with that one or two fires a year when you have multiple entrapments and multiple victims. Try stretching lines, extinguishing, searching, laddering and doing CPR on multiple victims with 16 guys. Guess what ?....you're f@cked !.....and it's too late to call for the cavalry.
Secondly, when a mayday is called on a fire and you only have 16 guys, what happens ? There aren't enough guys to attack the fire, finish the searches and other fire tasks AND mitigate the mayday. So you have companies dropping their hoselines to go do RIT and allowing the fire to grow. Not acceptable ! Again, we (my Dept) have two companies standing in the front yard on a working fire, ready to go and their only function is RIT........however I've been on fires where multiple victims are removed and both RIT teams have been put to work doing CPR and assisting the medic units with transport. |
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agates1272
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| Posted 03/21/11 at 12:14 PM | Reply with quote #14 |
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This all comes down to resources, plain and simple. FDNY has the resources, and can afford to have 15-20 guys standing around waiting for an assignment. Hell, i think we'd all love to be in the IC's shoes knowing he's got back up for his back up.
This building is a prime example of WHY FDNY staffs the way they do. Things in there could have gone to sh!t in a hurry, and they had the manpower to handle it if it came down to that.
I'd also be willing to bet that every one of those ff's were chompin' at the bit to get in there and do work. __________________ GARBAGE MEN don't get excited when they see garbage because their job SUCKS! |
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mikey152
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| Posted 03/22/11 at 07:47 AM | Reply with quote #15 |
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From the looks of it a few were chompin at a bit more than the bit!
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