| Posted 04/27/10 at 11:03 PM||Reply with quote #1 |
|Close Call Captured on Video During Car Fire. Airpacks For Car Fires??????|
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| Posted 04/27/10 at 11:11 PM||Reply with quote #2 |
The facial injury definitely could have been prevented with use of SCBA, especially an eye injury. A lot of people around my area and on the website say, "Well, magnesium issues and flying debris rarely come up, so you'll probably never see them." Well, what do you think this guy thought this morning as opposed to yesterday morning?
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Senior Bad Ass
| Posted 04/27/10 at 11:20 PM||Reply with quote #3 |
This shouldn't even be a question, the video speaks for itself.
GARBAGE MEN don't get excited when they see garbage because their job SUCKS!
Senior Bad Ass
| Posted 04/27/10 at 11:21 PM||Reply with quote #4 |
|How many times to we hear, "Naaah... we don't need SCBA! It's only a car fire!" "He's not standing in the smoke!" Well, this is why.|
EVERY VEHICLE FIRE -- EVERY TIME!!! He nearly lost an eye because of laziness and bad command. He was lazy and didn't put it on, and the IC used very poor judgement in allowing it.
| Posted 04/28/10 at 12:11 AM||Reply with quote #5 |
|Guilty as Charged.... I don't wear mine on every car fire, nor do all of my dept Firefighters.... this video will changes that... furthermore I am forwarding it to everyone on my dept roster. I'll be very honest, I have never seen a magnesium explosion that violent, and this has opened my eyes (No pun intended). |
As with so many things in the fire service, it often takes a Brother getting injured or worse to open the eyes of another... this is the case here... My eyes are wide open.. (Once again, no pun intended)
| Posted 04/28/10 at 06:23 AM||Reply with quote #6 |
|I live close to this city. I am not at all surprised by this. This is one department that has not come along with the times.|
Well uh, YEAH?
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| Posted 04/28/10 at 08:22 AM||Reply with quote #7 |
Yep should have been wearing that mask and pack there. I will say on my truck typically the nozzle man will mask up and the back up man doesn't but then again if your the backup man and you don't have a mask on don't get close. I have seen quite a few magnesium explosions in car fires, heck the last one we went to had it under the dash somewhere and when you hit it you will know it. Nozzle man always should wear full ppe and scba on vehicle fires and dumpsters, who wants to breath that crap.
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| Posted 04/28/10 at 08:37 AM||Reply with quote #8 |
I have never posted on here before but i need some information. In the last 10 years workmans comp ins has been restrictive in what they will cover as far as on the job injuries. They have refused some claims due to not following SOG's, city policies; etc; Most are simple safety standards such as seatbelts, PPE, and so on. Has anyone else had their claims denied or held up due to this type of policy. I tell any new FF or EMS people to wear their PPE, seat belts etc; If not for your own safety but to protect you in case you have an injury on the job. Please add your experiences thanks.
| Posted 04/28/10 at 09:20 AM||Reply with quote #9 |
Car Fire Checklist:One good thing, after seeing this video, I am sure a few more folks with pack up on that simple car fire today.
SCBA safely stowed on the engine - check
Helmet strap secured on back of helmet - check
Shield up - check
I really hope this guy is fine, if anyone has more info, it would be nice to know. I was glad to see he did not hit his head when he fell backwards, since there was no protection from the helmet that blew off.
On the workers comp issue, always hard to say what they will cover, but insurance companies are always looking to cut cost and paying claims is their biggest cost. If you are not following guidelines, that is one reason to cut or deny a claim. Bigger issues is when there is a video like this one that shows what actually happened. Most forms ask if you were wearing PPE at the time. Most people know they should and some are tempted to say they are, even if they were not. Now comes the video that clearly shows no mask, safety glasses etc. If you tell them you were using PPE and were not, that is fraud, they can deny the whole claim and request you be charged with insurance fraud. Sounds like a whole lot of trouble when you could just pack up on every call.
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| Posted 04/28/10 at 09:54 AM||Reply with quote #10 |
the video is from 14wfie news. all it said was he sustained eye injuries was transported to the hospital and released. the city of evansville is the third largest city in the state of Indiana EFD has 14 stations. there are in the far southwest corner of the state. you can also see pictures of the dept on http://www.indianafiretrucks.com click on southwest and then vanderburgh county.
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Senior Bad Ass
| Posted 04/28/10 at 10:13 AM||Reply with quote #11 |
|Between this vid and the strut explosion form Holland we all need to understand that car fires are potential bombs. We've taught ourselves that cars gas tanks rarely explode so we've pre-minimized the threat of a burning vehicle. |
Magnesium, airbag devices, pressurized shocks and who knows what else is in the vehicle just waiting to wreck your day.
Gear up= Go home
Yea, you're right, PPE is fer sissies
Senor Bad Ass
| Posted 04/28/10 at 12:50 PM||Reply with quote #12 |
If the officers don't wear one, why would the firefighters.
He was only doing what he has learned from others.
It all comes down to leadership!!!!
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| Posted 04/28/10 at 02:04 PM||Reply with quote #13 |
On are department it is manditory that you wear scba and mask AND BE ON AIR when fighting a car fire. Even if your old school dont think you need one or what ever the smoke that rolls off a hybrid electric car when the lithium batteries start burnin can drop you with one breath, and yes at least where I come from we do get wind changes. We are getting alot of hybrid cars around here and have been on two car fires with them. bad stuff, but to each his own and if your IC your shouldnt be wearing one, if you are your not an IC anymore your a firefighter.
Senior Bad Ass
| Posted 04/28/10 at 03:43 PM||Reply with quote #14 |
|Not gonna beat the SCBA thing anymore it speaks for it self, and this guy learned a hard lesson.|
I do hope this brings to light how regularly magnesium is used in product production. When I came on the job everyone always used the Volkswagon engine as the magneisum example.....in my experiences I have seen this metal used in lanmowers, chainsaws, vehicle sterring wheels and in delivery trucks (specifically a Frito Lay delivery truck). This stuff is everywhere in common stuff you probably use every day.....Just another reason to wear all of your gear and SCBA on EVERY FIRE house, car, dumpster etc this stuff can hurt you and its in alot fo places....be safe out there.
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| Posted 04/28/10 at 08:23 PM||Reply with quote #15 |
dumb...use your brain put your mask on
"Look busy until we get there"