TheBravestOnline
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Posted 07/13/09 at 07:39 PM
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Jamestown Fire Department Battles Large House Fire w/ Fire Showing
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http://www.thebravestonline.com/news.html?view=1&id=16189
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rjd2051
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Posted 07/13/09 at 10:22 PM
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Jimmy two sticks must have been in the front or he'd have huffed and puffed and blew the fire out.
This is gonna hurt, so let me get a deep breath.
I agree with Hoser.
I need a medic!
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wigginscapt
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Posted 07/13/09 at 11:34 PM
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I do belive most firefighters would went up there and handled that. I cant help but wonder were the intial line was, I know unitl we are sure we have the bloody thing out we dont take out our inital attack line. We also have a team in place when we vent cause thats when we will find any fire thats hidden. Strangley our guys dont scream and run from the building if they find any.
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23captain
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Posted 07/14/09 at 08:04 AM
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It appears that they have 2 lines inside from initial attack so why are they not going in to hit this little bit of fire?I guess maybe it is more dangrous to fight a fire that was hidden and exposed by venting?And was it me or were there pass alarms going off almost constant?
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Truck23man
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Posted 07/14/09 at 08:43 AM
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I know I am new to this site and have only commented on a few videos. Mostly about how dumb and undertrained most departments are, but that they still run with people who have no clue what they are doing. ie.. the last video with all the ladies running out of the house from a little sheetrock.
This video does it again. Why do people freak out everytime they see a little fire or because a room lights off. Thats usually a good thing now you know where it is. Hell most fires we go to you can't see crap and we bustin window and cutting holes to find it. The difference is when we do find it we don't freak the hell out we go and put it out. The lack of experience in most of these videos is amazing. Most of these videos are from little vollie depts. or small town depts. We needs some big city fire on here. Im not saying were perfect but dam this is the second video where guys freak out for now reason. Someone help me out on this?
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udontknowfire
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Posted 07/14/09 at 10:15 AM
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truck23,
Most big cities have SOP's that prohibit video of this nature, so as not to discredit or provide evidence that can come into question later in a court of law. We're innocent untill proven guilty, right?
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XLNoggin
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Posted 07/14/09 at 10:55 AM
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For the most part, I disagree with many of the comments made regarding this video. Not all of them, but many of them. Here are my reasons for stating that overall this department did a good job: - Unlike many of the videos we see on this website, the vast majority of the house is still standing. Obviously, they went interior and knocked down the majority of the fire. They vented, albeit a little late in the game; but we don’t know what, if any other methods they may have used for venting.
- This house has been added on to at least three times that I can see from the camera shot to the rear. Anyone who has fought fire in a large residence of this type knows what a challenge this can be. You leave one room only to find your self in another and another and another.
- At various times in the video you can see what appears to be an interior line spraying water through the roof from the C/D side of the building. At first I thought it was an exterior line but when the videographer takes a shot from the rear C/D side you can see that there aren’t any exterior lines on that side. In view of the air horns signaling the evacuation and change to a defensive strategy it becomes obvious that not everyone heard the message (horn).
- The end result is that although they chose not to commit additional lines to the interior and although they may have gone defensive a little too soon; they still put the fire out and the house is still standing.
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theMUSTACHE
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Posted 07/14/09 at 11:06 AM
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We cant really see all to the story or hear radio traffic of this alarm. Here are a few things I see and think of. Im not saying its right or wrong its just my thoughts so please fellas dont bash a brother.
1) At the beginning of the video I notice a brand new wheel chair ramp added to the A or 1 side of the house.
Is the upstairs still used now that a wheelchair bound person lives here(is there tons of clutter and storage upstairs now) or are is it still a multi family residence?
2) With seeing a renovation or new construction added to the house it makes me think is any area of the home being renovated? Possibly the 2nd floor?
This could put a stop or slow down advancement of a hand line to the fire.
3) Is the second floor even structurely sound?
4) Plenty of man power on scene.
5) A few ground ladders placed
6) Hose lines charged.
7) Water supply
8) Truck company opperating.
9)It seams all this was in place before the fire really started to get moving.
10) Wish I were there to find out what the conditions were on the interior side or the reasons for going deffensive? I would bet on some type of renovation or unsound floors stopped them.
11) If someone knows the facts please post it so I can document it and play it for my crew so we can do some rainy day trainning.
Just my 2 cents fellas.
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agates1272
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Posted 07/14/09 at 11:15 AM
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I think this video, as well as the last one, shows the difference between conservative departments and aggressive departments. We all know departments like Houston are aggressive as hell, and they likely would have attacked the light off from inside. Hell, Albuquerque (where I am) is almost as aggressive. We have had many an arguement on this forum about "overly" aggressive tactics, so maybe it's not a coincidence that we are starting to see alot of videos on this site showing very conservative and cautious fireground tactics.
All I know is, if I ever buy a house in another city or small town, I might do some research on how aggressive thier fire department is. I'd hate to sit accross the street and watch everything I own go up because a little sheetrock came down or fire came out of a vent cut....
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Posted 07/14/09 at 02:19 PM
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Why are they venting awya from the fire? Why are they not making an offensive attack on the fire? There is very little smoke showing from the front of the residence. The only thing on fire was the back of the house!! WOW a little quick to jump on the defensive call!!!
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Buchanresq
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Posted 07/14/09 at 04:37 PM
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Really Guys, Defensive! What do you do when you roll up on a structure and its burning like this? Go Defensive right off the bat? SMALL HANDLINE KNOCKDOWN AT THAT! I want Jamies take on this one......
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FireLt08
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Posted 07/15/09 at 03:54 PM
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Why do so many firefighters on here seem sooo surprised when they go to a fire and see uh, er, fire?!?
Fellas, the purpose of venting (be it horizontal, vertical, natural, hydraulic) is to open things up to remove the bad stuff, and expose the red stuff!! Don't get so surprised when it actually works out that way. It's supposed to!
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rjd2051
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Posted 07/15/09 at 09:32 PM
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FireLt, I agree, but when the sucker flashes most of us dont run away screaming, "call the fire dept". We step up, not back
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FireLt08
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Posted 07/16/09 at 07:41 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by rjd2051FireLt, I agree, but when the sucker flashes most of us dont run away screaming, "call the fire dept". We step up, not back
I'm not picking a fight here, rj, just maybe misunderstanding your post...are you saying that was a flashover there in that video?
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