TheBravestOnline
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Posted 12/04/11 at 09:47 PM
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West Plains, MO Structure Fire with Flashover. Great Two Camera Footage
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Truck23man
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Posted 12/05/11 at 07:15 AM
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Well that looked like a great fire until these guys arrived then it got even better. I don't know why he went back for the second line it looked like a pretty small house. Plus if you would have given some more pressure on the first line you might could have done something with it. Simple house fire, pull a line and go through the front door, these guys just couldn't get it done.
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DCFR504
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Posted 12/05/11 at 09:46 AM
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It might not have flashed on them if they didn't take so long to stretch!!! And what was with the engine placement?
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LFD32
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Posted 12/05/11 at 12:44 PM
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Did it say VAGINA Fire & Rescue on there Engine's
that was bad from the time they showed up.
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Posted 12/05/11 at 12:51 PM
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LMAO @ LFD!!!!!!!!
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SurendrdSeraph12
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Posted 12/05/11 at 03:41 PM
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More pressure on the first line would have helped... and just plain getting it out quicker. But considering most of the guys were still having to get dressed out and packed out (the driver of the engine arrived alone), I won't bash them that hard for it.
I absolutely will not argue with pulling the 2 1/2". To make a Pokemon meme reference most of ya'll won't get: "Cameraman uses deuce-and-a-half. It was super effective!" Why would you complain because they made a quick knockdown using a 2 1/2" instead of taking forever with only a 1 3/4"? Makes no sense to me.
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caplad
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Posted 12/05/11 at 06:47 PM
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I was not happy with engine over use of the siren . I wonder is their sop requires them to use it whether of not it's needed. An 1.75" through the front door upon arrival should have been enough .Since they had to wait for a crew the fire grew beyond that .
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76Truck
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Posted 12/05/11 at 09:14 PM
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Sucks not having manpower. It went out rather quick. Did good with what they had to work with.
Siren ain't needed if it ain't needed. I hate sirens though.
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HFR622
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Posted 12/05/11 at 10:01 PM
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Man I thought they stopped teaching the walk 200 feet hose pull along time ago. Just kidding. These guys need a good engine officer or Chief to show them how to be aggressive and get after it. Pretty sure they caused the flashover by hitting it from the window. Bread and butter, get up in there with good pressure and knock it out.
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SurendrdSeraph12
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Posted 12/06/11 at 03:13 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by capladI was not happy with engine over use of the siren . I wonder is their sop requires them to use it whether of not it's needed. An 1.75" through the front door upon arrival should have been enough .Since they had to wait for a crew the fire grew beyond that .
State law in Tennessee requires that anytime the apparatus is in transit with the lights on, the siren must be on. Otherwise, you're not running considered as running emergency, and you must shut the lights off or face liability. Missouri tends to be very good with their laws, in protecting and empowering their emergency responders, but I would not be surprised at all if a similar law existed there, too. Especially with their allowance of POVs.
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caplad
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Posted 12/06/11 at 06:10 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by SurendrdSeraph12Quote: Originally Posted by capladI was not happy with engine over use of the siren . I wonder is their sop requires them to use it whether of not it's needed. An 1.75" through the front door upon arrival should have been enough .Since they had to wait for a crew the fire grew beyond that .
State law in Tennessee requires that anytime the apparatus is in transit with the lights on, the siren must be on. Otherwise, you're not running considered as running emergency, and you must shut the lights off or face liability. Missouri tends to be very good with their laws, in protecting and empowering their emergency responders, but I would not be surprised at all if a similar law existed there, too. Especially with their allowance of POVs. Ok thanks for that . I was wondering why they used it without traffic . I do know in NJ the POV should not have a siren at all . I'm not saying not to use the siren . Just at that time of day and lack of traffic it can be used sparingly .
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Posted 12/06/11 at 09:27 AM
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Wow, slow.... I think some remedial training on engine company operations would do them well.I will say it's hard without man power.. This is nothing a good Engine Company Officer couldn't fix quick with some training...
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firebksman
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Posted 12/08/11 at 03:02 PM
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I very rarely comment on here. I just wanted to say one thing. I have seen quite a few of these slow to act slow moving Depts. on various fires. Please just take a look at the previous video from Ft Worth FD and see what it is we as fire fighters are supposed to be doing.
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