TheBravestOnline
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| Posted 11/17/11 at 11:36 AM | Reply with quote #1 |
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Houston, Texas House Backdraft Before Arrival of FD!
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http://thebravestonline.com/news.html?view=1&id=46206
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DCFR504
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| Posted 11/17/11 at 12:03 PM | Reply with quote #2 |
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WOW!!! It looks like it started in a detached or maybe attached garage or something and got into the attic of the house and took off. I've seen a bunch of backdraft video but this one is AWESOME. Water supply, 2-1/2 to the rear, 1-3/4 inside, pull ceiling and get to work. An attic fire definitely calls for opening up the roof, I LOVE truck work but never get to do it and don't know enough about it. To you TRUCK guys, would you still go on the roof after what just happened? Structural integrity? Or is that a stupid question?
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HFR622
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| Posted 11/17/11 at 01:15 PM | Reply with quote #3 |
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DC, I would get up there. Looks like a ton of fire underneath but still stable. first couple of steps shaky get back down. Good to see some houston videos on here.. been awhile. Only shot i will take is at the engine officer not being ready to rock. 4-5 man engine okay stand outside and be initial IC. 3 man engine come dressed for the dance and get after it. Don't see alot of houston videos where they aren't covered up with manpower in the first few minutes. maybe this one is on the outskirts and 2nd due is out a few minutes. good video and looked like it was gonna be a nice hot fire. |
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| Posted 11/17/11 at 01:20 PM | Reply with quote #4 |
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This isnt HFD must be one of the county fire departments. Thing definitely needs a hole. As far as roof integrity I dont see sagging anywhere but would for sure be cautious on there and making sure it was good. However, we wouldnt know that happened since it was prior to arrival. Id say were going to the roof a lot of house to save here.
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rjd2051
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| Posted 11/17/11 at 01:51 PM | Reply with quote #5 |
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I did see that coming.
I read the description before I watched it though.
Looked like the shingles started a little venting on the left roof. Maybe not much time before it self vented but I'd start a crew up there just keeping them over the B exterior wall.
HFD is right, still a lot of property to save
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| Posted 11/17/11 at 01:53 PM | Reply with quote #6 |
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Community FD in Fort Bend County.
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Staysafe
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| Posted 11/17/11 at 02:55 PM | Reply with quote #7 |
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I'm pretty sure most of the vids we saw of HFD before were self taken, some with helmet cams too, and I'm even more certain they put a ban to videoing anything due to the the $ hungry lawyers out there. Now if a bystandard takes a clip....nothing can be done there.
Anyone else have video bans in your dept?
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SpringfieldDeuce
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| Posted 11/17/11 at 03:03 PM | Reply with quote #8 |
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Quote: Anyone else have video bans in your dept?
No, no bans but ive heard grumbling about concerns, honestly just dont have many guys w the cams downhere.
Would like to see more of the attack
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TheBravestOnline
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| Posted 11/17/11 at 04:21 PM | Reply with quote #9 |
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jbrown is correct, we have learned this was in Community... which still kinda is East Houston. It's not the city limits but it close enough to Houston.
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GSMJ
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| Posted 11/17/11 at 05:01 PM | Reply with quote #10 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by TheBravestOnline
jbrown is correct, we have learned this was in Community... which still kinda is East Houston. It's not the city limits but it close enough to Houston.
No... lol... It's East Texas, East Fort Bend County, but... SOUTHWEST HOUSTON!!!!
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SurendrdSeraph12
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| Posted 11/17/11 at 05:56 PM | Reply with quote #11 |
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Looks like we has a debate going on here! 
Not being there, I can't say I saw it coming. And honestly speaking, I don't know that I'd be looking hard enough at the structure to see if it was ready for backdraft. This isn't what one would necessarily consider a textbook backdraft situation, which is usually no fire, lots of smoke, etc. However, look at the two big window areas on the front of the house. Those might just be blinds, but they look super milky, just as the smoke from the back of the house and roof does. I do know that that is textbook backdraft priming.
Big thing to gather here is to pay close attention when you get on the scene (why 360s are so important!). I know being a young guy without a ton of fire, I'd be ready to get back to the back of the house and get at it - gotta be sure to calm yourself down and look around.
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Truckyou
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| Posted 11/17/11 at 06:44 PM | Reply with quote #12 |
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Hard to tell, but this may not have been a backdraft. To me it looks like it could have been a smoke explosion. The difference being, a backdraft is a smoldering fire starved of oxygen and the event occurs when oxygen is introduced and a smoke explosion is a buildup of smoke mixing with oxygen in a compartment seperate from the fire area (like an attic) with no ignition source. When an ignition source is introduced you get the violent explosion. I think this, with the free burning fire, is a smoke explosion. Smoke gathered in the attic and when the fire reached the attic you got the explosion. That being said, I wouldnt rule out roof operations but my priority would be hooks inside, pull the ceiling and extinguish. No matter how big the hole you cut the fire is not going to go out until you get water on it.
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LaFrance
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| Posted 11/17/11 at 08:12 PM | Reply with quote #13 |
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I've watched this several times and still can't see any sign of it coming. I think Truckyou is right on though. You hear a bang, see a quick flash in the roof vent, then the entire attic vents through the top vent and eaves. I don't think this was a backdraft either. I don't see any problem with getting on the roof. Should still be pretty stable. I think the fire was at the back of the house and not much in the attic, but there is fire there now. |
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Truck252
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| Posted 11/17/11 at 08:57 PM | Reply with quote #14 |
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That'll teach the neighbor in the yellow shirt to stay away from a building on fire! But like others said def didnt see it coming |
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76Truck
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| Posted 11/17/11 at 10:14 PM | Reply with quote #15 |
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You oughta see the after photos...........just saying !
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